Talk:Anti-submarine mortar

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Undiscussed page move

This moved the page from Anti-submarine mortar to Anti-submarine ballistic artillery. This is a bad move, obviously an undiscussed one despite being fairly major, and should be reverted. It has also led to awful edits like this.

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Rockets, even unguided rockets, aren't ballistic projectiles. They're still under thrust during part of their flight, so this isn't a simple ballistic trajectory.
If this article needs a rename because the significant rocket projectiles are outside the scope of mortars, then we might do so. We might call them 'projectiles' or 'unguided projectiles' (Please, not Unrotated Projectiles!). But 'ballistic' is just wrong.

Andy Dingley (talk) 21:54, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andy Dingley (talk · contribs) Unguided Rocket artillery are ballistic projectiles. They can't change course after firing. Yes, if you want to rename the article to Anti-submarine unguided projectiles it is also viable.Nafis Fuad Ayon (talk) 02:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you know what ballistics is? Do you have a WP:RS source describing rockets as 'ballistic artillery' ? Or submarine mortars as ballistic artillery? Andy Dingley (talk) 12:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is your preferable name for the article?Nafis Fuad Ayon (talk) 14:48, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andy Dingley (talk · contribs) How about moving the page to Anti-submarine unguided artillery or Anti-submarine unguided projectile?Nafis Fuad Ayon (talk) 02:24, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Has it been moved again, as the list is not of projectiles, but it seems artillery? But I agree, rockets are not ballistic artillery. So this needs moving back. Slatersteven (talk) 13:10, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is your preferable name for the article ?

Nafis Fuad Ayon (talk) 14:17, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Slatersteven (talk · contribs) How about moving the page to Anti-submarine unguided artillery or Anti-submarine unguided projectile?Nafis Fuad Ayon (talk) 02:23, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rocket artillery and Moters both are projectiles.Nafis Fuad Ayon (talk) 02:32, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to me move it back to its original name, it should not have been moved without discussion. Slatersteven (talk) 08:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Slatersteven (talk · contribs)These ASW weapons are either rocket based or morter based. We can't called rockets as morter. I already improved the article and seperate rockets and mortars into two sections.Nafis Fuad Ayon (talk) 09:15, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Irrelevant, the article should not have been moved without discussion, and that discussion should be had before it is moved. If there was content in the article that should not have been her it should have been moved. Slatersteven (talk) 09:18, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also note you added that content, after you moved the article. Slatersteven (talk) 09:19, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Andy Dingley, @Nafis Fuad Ayon, @Slatersteven: the current form of this article, with the title Anti-submarine guided projectile, creates confusion as to whether the article is about the rounds (rockets and mortar rounds) fired from ship-borne artillery pieces to sink submarines, or the systems (rocket launchers and mortars) that fire them. As it stands, the first sentence begins with the phrase Anti-submarine projectiles are artillery pieces, which makes no sense: the artillery pieces (a.k.a. the weapon systems) fire the projectiles. Huntthetroll (talk) 23:40, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Restore to Anti-submarine mortar. It was correct initially and this is still the best name. Most are mortars. Some are rockets but we can still cover them under this same article. It is better to include the later ones that became unguided rockets along with the mortars than it is to invent some new name thats equally wrong for both. We shouldn't merge them with guided missiles either. 2A00:23C5:E9AC:DA01:655A:A762:F9AD:916D (talk) 17:46, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]